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Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

I'm trying to build a business case for getting better geographic distribution on our software download servers (download.juniper.net) . It would help if I can get some data from everyone about how long downoads are taking. If you could reply to this thread with:

 

Image/file                      Time                          Your Location

 

I will be able to use this to help bolster the business benefits of improved global server coverage.

 

For example:

 

junos-srxsme-10.3R2.11-domestic.tgz   1:26:30     Melbourne AUS

 

Times can be approximate.

 

Thanks!

 

(I am also pitching to get a better transport protocol than HTTPS - or at minimum get a java-based transfer helper that can improve reliability)

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Re: Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

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EDIT....  This was for the STRM image...  OOPS  9 min for srx

 

junos-srxme-10.3R2.11-domestic.tgz - 9:00 - Overland Park, KS....  50MEG Metro-E...

 

Thanks, this pains me when Im trying to get STRM isos.... <- These take a couple hours, of course they over a Gig too.

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Re: Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

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junos-srxme-10.3R2.11-domestic.tgz 15m Minneapolis, MN

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Re: Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

junos-srxsme-10.3R2.11-domestic.tgz   2min     California, USA

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Re: Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

I think when tomorrow rolls around you (US folk) will all feel very sympathetic for your brethren in EMEA, Asia, AUS, and India. Latency kills...for example see:

 

http://forums.juniper.net/t5/Community-Feedback-and-Direction/JUNOS-downloads-from-juniper-net-slow-...

 

-Keith

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Re: Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

Junos-srxsme-10.3R2.11-domestic.tgz   34min     Malmo, SWE

RTT 191ms

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Re: Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

Junos-srxsme-10.3R2.11-domestic.tgz 2min British Columbia, Canada

 

- I used a download manager as I find that browsers downloads stall sometimes.

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Re: Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

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Hi,

 

junos-srxsme-10.3R2.11-domestic.tgz, 57 minutes, ~ 60 KB/s, RTT 191 ms, from Vienna/Austria, Upstream bandwith from download PC: 10 MBit/s, traceroute to download.juniper.net:

 

 

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  10.0.0.254
  2    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  fw01-geb-vie-at.geblergasse95.at [10.0.2.1]
  3     7 ms     6 ms     6 ms  fe-0-0-1.2001.rtr01-ix-vie-at.rappaport.at [46.29.39.21]
  4     6 ms     5 ms     5 ms  62-99-143-17.static.sh-wien.inode.at [62.99.143.17]
  5   100 ms   103 ms   103 ms  84.116.229.41
  6   102 ms   104 ms   110 ms  84.116.228.193
  7   140 ms   142 ms   102 ms  nl-ams05a-rd1-te-0-10-0-5.aorta.net [84.116.130.77]
  8   103 ms   101 ms   102 ms  84-116-130-30.aorta.net [84.116.130.30]
  9   104 ms   102 ms   101 ms  us-nyc01b-ri1-ge-0-1-0.aorta.net [213.46.190.178]
 10   172 ms   115 ms   114 ms  xe-8-3-0.edge1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.78.164.221]
 11   112 ms   113 ms   119 ms  vlan69.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.68.16.62]
 12   116 ms   115 ms   118 ms  ae-71-71.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.69.134.69]
 13   111 ms   112 ms   113 ms  ae-4-4.ebr1.newyork2.level3.net [4.69.141.18]
 14   112 ms   113 ms   117 ms  ae-1-51.edge2.newyork2.level3.net [4.69.138.195]
 15   112 ms   113 ms   113 ms  4.68.110.70
 16   114 ms   114 ms   112 ms  0.ae3.XL4.NYC4.ALTER.NET [152.63.16.186]
 17   182 ms   183 ms   182 ms  0.so-5-1-0.XT2.SAC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.146.82]
 18   184 ms   181 ms   183 ms  GigabitEthernet7-0-0.GW10.SAC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.48.101]
 19   184 ms   194 ms   185 ms  juniper-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.208.190]
 20   184 ms   186 ms   183 ms  sac-nat-66-129-228-6.juniper.net [66.129.228.6]
 21   188 ms   191 ms   190 ms  download.juniper.net [66.129.230.22]

 

 

Regards,

Dominik

JNCIE et al.

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Re: Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

Hi,

 

junos-srxsme-10.3R2.11-domestic.tgz,  2 hours 22 minutes, ~ 24 KB/s, RTT 191 ms, from Vienna/Austria but different ISP than above, Upstream bandwith from download PC: 8 MBit/s, traceroute to download.juniper.net:

 

 

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.0.254
  2    12 ms    12 ms    13 ms  62.47.95.239
  3    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  172.19.63.49
  4    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  195.3.68.89
  5    13 ms    12 ms    12 ms  IIX10-AUX10.highway.telekom.at [195.3.70.122]
  6    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  193.159.227.13
  7   115 ms   119 ms   118 ms  194.25.6.6
  8   118 ms   119 ms   118 ms  194.25.211.18
  9   120 ms   120 ms   119 ms  0.ae1.XL4.IAD8.ALTER.NET [152.63.33.122]
 10   195 ms   190 ms   190 ms  0.so-5-1-0.XT2.SAC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.146.82]
 11   191 ms   189 ms   190 ms  GigabitEthernet7-0-0.GW10.SAC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.48.101]
 12   191 ms   190 ms   191 ms  juniper-gw.customer.alter.net [157.130.208.190]
 13   190 ms   190 ms   191 ms  sac-nat-66-129-228-6.juniper.net [66.129.228.6]
 14   190 ms   191 ms   191 ms  download.juniper.net [66.129.230.22]

Regards,

Dominik

 

JNCIE et al.

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Re: Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

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junos-srxsme-10.4R1.9-domestic.tgz ~70kbyte/sec about 45min Sydney, Australia 

 

iinet adsl2+ connection.

 

 

traceroute to download.juniper.net (66.129.230.22), 64 hops max, 72 byte packets
 1  10.0.0.254 (10.0.0.254)  4.940 ms  1.662 ms  1.136 ms
 2  fe-0-0-7-0.rtr.annandale.lttd.net (203.206.210.249)  5.930 ms  4.252 ms  1.957 ms
 3  nexthop.nsw.iinet.net.au (203.215.19.247)  18.318 ms  17.388 ms  17.603 ms
 4  te1-1.syd-mas-bdr1.iinet.net.au (203.215.18.18)  17.136 ms  16.804 ms  16.869 ms
 5  te15-0-0.syd-mas-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.20.94)  16.865 ms  16.912 ms  16.650 ms
 6  te11-0-0.syd-ult-core1.iinet.net.au (203.215.20.110)  17.109 ms  19.868 ms  17.973 ms
 7  ten-0-1-0.bdr02.syd01.nsw.vocus.net.au (114.31.193.237)  17.753 ms  17.328 ms  17.568 ms
 8  ge-0-2-4-130.cor02.syd03.nsw.vocus.net.au (114.31.192.80)  18.211 ms  22.343 ms  17.947 ms
 9  ge-0-1-3-126.bdr01.sjc01.ca.vocus.net.au (114.31.192.101)  200.026 ms  197.303 ms  196.847 ms
10  gi3-5.mpd01.sjc05.atlas.cogentco.com (38.104.134.137)  175.118 ms  175.031 ms  348.105 ms
11  te8-4.mpd01.sjc01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.6.73)  175.120 ms  174.755 ms  175.539 ms
12  te0-1-0-5.mpd22.sfo01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.181)  167.992 ms  166.882 ms  168.583 ms
13  te4-1.ccr01.oak01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.24.114)  166.958 ms  166.605 ms  170.764 ms
14  te4-1.ccr01.smf01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.26.229)  207.473 ms  171.619 ms  169.311 ms
15  vl3505.na01.b015947-1.smf01.atlas.cogentco.com (38.112.38.230)  172.400 ms  170.834 ms  170.967 ms
16  38.102.32.10 (38.102.32.10)  170.613 ms  170.958 ms  171.439 ms
17  sac-nat-66-129-228-6.juniper.net (66.129.228.6)  170.346 ms  171.065 ms  171.404 ms
18  download.juniper.net (66.129.230.22)  172.044 ms  173.711 ms  176.314 ms
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Re: Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

junos-srxsme-10.3R2.11-domestic.tgz 38 KB/sec 1h28m from Finland, Helsinki using gigabit transit

 

traceroute to download.juniper.net (66.129.230.22), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
 2  ge0-0-0-406.bbr2.hel1.fi.eunetip.net (213.192.190.33)  0.691 ms  0.824 ms  0.747 ms
 3  as0-0.bbr1.sto1.se.eunetip.net (213.192.191.210)  7.408 ms  7.505 ms  7.422 ms
 4  213.242.110.169 (213.242.110.169)  7.160 ms  26.987 ms  7.442 ms
 5  ae-2-5.bar1.Copenhagen1.Level3.net (4.69.140.198)  36.575 ms  36.659 ms  36.469 ms
 6  ae-7-7.ebr1.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net (4.69.142.170)  46.235 ms  36.458 ms  36.664 ms
 7  ae-47-47.ebr2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.69.143.174)  36.337 ms  36.452 ms  36.478 ms
 8  ae-41-41.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.137.50)  124.571 ms  124.467 ms ae-42-42.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.137.54)  125.697 ms
 9  ae-62-62.csw1.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.134.146)  125.783 ms ae-72-72.csw2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.134.150)  133.115 ms ae-82-82.csw3.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.134.154)  128.744 ms
10  ae-1-90.edge1.Washington4.Level3.net (4.69.149.207)  158.655 ms  126.645 ms ae-1-60.edge1.Washington4.Level3.net (4.69.149.15)  125.138 ms
11  mci-level3.washingtondc4.level3.net (4.68.62.134)  125.671 ms mci-level3.washingtondc4.level3.net (4.68.62.138)  126.639 ms mci-level3.washingtondc4.level3.net (4.68.62.134)  123.913 ms
12  0.ae2.XL3.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.41.230)  125.643 ms  126.899 ms 0.ae1.XL3.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.33.118)  152.035 ms
13  0.so-5-1-0.XT1.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.49.9)  196.014 ms  197.582 ms  195.996 ms
14  GigabitEthernet6-0-0.GW10.SAC1.ALTER.NET (152.63.48.97)  196.856 ms  197.382 ms  196.176 ms
15  juniper-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.208.190)  198.811 ms  199.131 ms  198.772 ms
16  sac-nat-66-129-228-6.juniper.net (66.129.228.6)  197.604 ms  197.483 ms  199.758 ms
17  * * *
18  * * *
19  * * *

 

 

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Re: Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

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junos-srxsme-10.4R1.9-domestic.tgz from Nord Italy about 1h 30 Min : ADSL2+ 7M

 

Regards

-PIccolo
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Re: Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

junos-srxsme-10.4R1.9-domestic.tgz & junos-srx5000-10.4R1.9-domestic.tgz  UK ( London) 90min+ each file ( using 100MB connection)

 

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Re: Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

junos-srxsme-10.4R1.9-domestic.tgz     1 hour 20 min  US on Cogent 100Mb Ethernet Metro

 

I would really expect this to be faster since you have peering with Cogent from your network, but I think your server or connections must be overloaded. Also I hate using Java based downloaders, they seem to always cause problems and need to have java installed... Please don't take away the choice of using https at least.

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Re: Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

@Dominik

 

Oy! My apologies for such slow performance as well as a "Thank You!" (I think you nailed my business case Smiley Happy )

 

So, pretty clear that the download servers themselves are performing well, just that we are hitting the wall with speed-of-light issues (and the chatty https protocol).

 

@SomeITGuy - can you tell us what download manager you are using? I didn't think there are many that could handle our authentication scheme. This could be a big help for many users.

 

Everyone - Thank You! (and feel free to add to the thread - more datapoints the better).  This was a bit of an experimental use of the community and I really appreciate the participation.

 

-Keith

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Re: Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

@KB_Fan I use http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/ however many modern download managers that have plugins for IE or Firefox are able to pass the session token and perform the download. FYI for those that care FDM only has partial support for google Chrome and thus can't be used from Chrome to do a Juniper download yet but IE and Firefox have full integration.

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Re: Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

Hi,

 

junos-srxsme-10.4R1.9-domestic.tgz, it should take 3 hours , ~ 17.5 kB/s, from Paris, France (fiber optical)

 

 

  1     5 ms     1 ms     3 ms  local.0.254
  2     2 ms     1 ms     1 ms  local.11.9
  3     2 ms     1 ms     1 ms  public.143.4
  4     3 ms     3 ms     3 ms  public.143.10
  5     5 ms     *        7 ms  254-222-144-213.altitudetelecom.fr [213.144.222.
254]
  6     8 ms     6 ms     7 ms  gi9-12.mpd01.par03.atlas.cogentco.com [149.6.114
.105]
  7     7 ms     7 ms     6 ms  te0-4-0-6.ccr21.par01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.11
7.51.142]
  8    88 ms    87 ms    87 ms  te0-2-0-5.ccr21.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54
.5.177]
  9    94 ms    93 ms    93 ms  te0-3-0-6.ccr21.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54
.41.5]
 10   110 ms   108 ms   108 ms  te0-2-0-4.ccr21.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54
.40.194]
 11   121 ms   121 ms   121 ms  te0-3-0-3.ccr21.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54
.2.189]
 12   188 ms   211 ms   206 ms  te4-4.mpd02.den01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.7.1
30]
 13   148 ms   148 ms   148 ms  te3-2.ccr01.slc01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.3.1
4]
 14   156 ms   156 ms   155 ms  te4-2.ccr01.smf01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.1.1
01]
 15   158 ms   158 ms   157 ms  vl3505.na01.b015947-1.smf01.atlas.cogentco.com [
38.112.38.230]
 16   158 ms   157 ms   157 ms  38.102.32.10
 17   160 ms   157 ms   160 ms  sac-nat-66-129-228-6.juniper.net [66.129.228.6]

 18   166 ms   169 ms     *     download.juniper.net [66.129.230.22]
 19   163 ms   164 ms   165 ms  download.juniper.net [66.129.230.22]

 

 

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Re: Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

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@BenR

 

Something odd going on there - can you post a traceroute? We definitely see traffic spikes after a major release and today would be one of the peak days. I will ask IT to check from our side. Just as a rough test, I just pulled the same file to my desktop in 46seconds - so if our servers were congested I'd expect something quite worse (could be congestion on the outside lines still however)

 

Also...we would only supplement HTTPS, not replace it.

 

-Keith

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Re: Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

 

junos-srxsme-10.4R1.9-domestic.tgz - around 2 hour's.... 100+ mbit/s pipe Northern Italy AS Uplink Provider's (DTAG - AS3320)
Destination: 66.129.230.22

 

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Re: Downloading Junos - how long does it take?

Kieth,

Here is the traceroute. We get very good throughput on our link most of the time. It look as if there is some issue after transfering to juniper.net because there are two timed out reponses, I saw this on PowerRanger's traceroute as well that went through cogent to you. (plus two hops that respond as download.juniper.net, that probably shouldn't happen)

 

J:\>tracert download.juniper.net

Tracing route to download.juniper.net [66.129.230.22]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     2 ms     2 ms     2 ms  vlan-2.****************
  2    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  ge-0/0/15-254******************
  3     6 ms     1 ms     2 ms  fa0-15.***********.sbn01.atlas.cogentco.com
  4     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  gi1-46.3502.ccr01.sbn01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.2
0.53.61]
  5     4 ms     4 ms     4 ms  te4-3.ccr01.tol01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.7.1
53]
  6     7 ms     7 ms     7 ms  te0-0-0-5.mpd22.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54
.25.62]
  7    19 ms    19 ms    19 ms  te0-0-0-3.mpd22.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54
.25.77]
  8    19 ms    19 ms    19 ms  te0-0-0-0.mpd21.mci01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54
.30.149]
  9    31 ms    31 ms    31 ms  te4-4.mpd01.den01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.24.
81]
 10    41 ms    41 ms    41 ms  te4-2.ccr01.slc01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.0.4
2]
 11    54 ms    54 ms    54 ms  te7-3.ccr01.smf01.atlas.cogentco.com [66.28.4.19
4]
 12    56 ms    56 ms    56 ms  vl3805.na01.b015947-1.smf01.atlas.cogentco.com [
38.20.48.186]
 13    56 ms    56 ms    55 ms  38.102.32.10
 14    58 ms    56 ms    57 ms  sac-nat-66-129-228-6.juniper.net [66.129.228.6]

 15    58 ms    57 ms     *     download.juniper.net [66.129.230.22]
 16     *       58 ms    57 ms  download.juniper.net [66.129.230.22]

Trace complete.