09-24-2010 12:53 AM
Hi All, I am planning for JNCIE track and I will be comfortable with any of the available tracks, Have few queries if anyone can help me out here:
A) For JNCIE - ER do you need any JNCIP or only JNCIS-ER is enough for registering to JNCIE -ER. I am already a CCIE R&S so it would me not much difficult for me to go for JNCIE but there is a change in certifications from 2011, so is it a good idea to give these exam before the change?
B) For JNCIE - ENT: Will it be the same as ER? is JNCIP - ENT required to give JNCIE - ENT? or JNCIS - ENT is enough to register for JNCIE _ ENT? Why to give two exams for 8 hrs lab..? ??
Please guide me and help me to understand which track i should follow.
09-24-2010 04:11 PM
You will need to have achieved the JNCIS-ER to sit for the JNCIE-ER exam.
The JNCIE/P ENT exams will cover both enterprise routing and switching. You will need an JNCIS-ENT to sit for the JNCIP-ENT and the JNCIP-ENT to sit for the JNCIE-ENT. However, please note that the P and E level ENT exams will not be available until late Q1, early Q2 next year.
Hope that helps.
09-30-2010 05:31 PM
Is P level going to be a LAB?
In my opinion it would be a great mistake for Juniper to require P lab before E lab for the Enterprise track. What would be a motivation for a CCIE to take 2 LAB exams to get JNCIE-ER?
10-01-2010 05:09 AM
We are still formulating our strategy for the new P level exams. Will have an announcement in November. Stay tuned!
10-01-2010 12:04 PM
I am just trying to bring my concern across. That If you are a CCIE why take a P level lab, and if you are not why not to get CCIE with just one lab? You will probably find that most of your partners in the enterprise space are targeting their existing CCIEs for the E certification.
My 2 cents.
10-01-2010 12:55 PM
I welcome the feedback so thank you for taking the time. One reason we have not announced yet is we are getting feedback on this decisions from many different stakeholder groups. We want to make a very considered and deliberate decision that will benefit the future of the program.
10-01-2010 09:35 PM
Thank you Liz Burns for spending time with us on the portal and considering our feedback..!
Now with regards to your last reply...
I'd like to bring it to your notice that I am a Sr Tech Specialist in IBM India with a valid CCIE number. Now to delight my clients who are using and want to work with Juniper Devices, I want to achieve JNCIE status.
Do you really think I should Invest my time and man-days preparing for JNCIP LAB and then approaching for JNCIE ?
If you really want to consider the feedback from folks like us, who are really working on field and facing the customers every day.
Then; I strongly oppose the Idea of taking JNCIP 8 Hrs LAB and then going for JNCIE. Even CISCO has no Prerequisites for their CCIE certifications then Why Juniper is opting for two LAB exams?
Which really discourage the engineers like us to target JNCIE Certifications.
10-05-2010 11:56 AM
Well I have been a CCIE and have also worked hard to get the JNCIE... In my opinion having to take two labs is quite a valid case...
JNCIP tests people on a different level... If you have seen the topics for the SP exam.. You would have noticed it just goes over configuring routers... CCIE in my opinion (excluding R&S) currently employs just this principle... JNCIE introduces more complexity, topics and my favorite troubleshooting....
I would ideally like two lab exams... JNCIP and then a JNCIE.. so that all topics could be tested. To be fair.. newbies need to undergo the same pressures of the exam that the others have already endured.
Or else I would like a two day lab... First day being a JNCIP... and then build on it the second day for JNCIE... Cost involved is probably a little more than Cisco here... How about a 2000$ exam...
10-05-2010 02:08 PM
Could you please explain the connection between SP track and ENT track discussed here? They probably have a different audience and ENT should be tailored towards your business partners (not just to Juniper employs).
If sitting P lab is required it would discourage a lot of your partners. (A lot of people who are interested are CCIE R/S already)
P.S. your current JNCIE-ER certification does not include a P lab. Does it make it a less of IE then JNCIE- M?
10-05-2010 02:24 PM - edited 10-05-2010 02:28 PM
I was just referencing the SP track since it has a P level... and assuming Juniper wanted to make all tracks look alike.. I took it as an example...
All the opinions here are my own thoughts... and may not reflect what the JNCP or Juniper decides to do... And I am sure they definitely think about the market and not just an individual...Some of the comments I posted where in a lighter vein..
And to your last comment... I think JNCIE-ER is just as good as any other expert track. I just like the idea of taking more labs rather than sitting in a prometric center answering multiple choice questions...
The idea is to have fun while learning... You study to learn the technology... The expert tag is just an additional bonus..
10-10-2010 10:57 PM
10-11-2010 03:40 AM
Thank you for your post. We understand that many companies do not build their certification paths in such a way that they confirm (certify) individuals on the lower level - really the building block - knowledge and skills. The program "assumes" this level of understanding if an individual can pass the higher levels. Frankly Juniper's program used to be designed that way.
However, we are making changes in this area because we believe it strengthens the Juniper credential (JNCIx) in the market place. Please see my post at http://forums.juniper.net/t5/Training-Certificatio