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JNCIE-SEC

‎03-16-2013 08:34 AM

Dear Liz Burns and Cert Team

 

I am not a happy camper, so forgive me if my acidity comes across, why is Juniper expecting me to take up my study time with learning about features that are in release 12.1 when the lab exam is based on 11.1

Most of us who take up the challenge to do a JNCIE exam have limited time in which to prepare and do the exam, what you are now asking me to do is to take at least 2 weeks to a month out of an already difficult schedule to learn features that are not going to be in a lab exam that I am almost ready to take.

 

It's pretty clear that most of us who use JUNOS have been impressed with what your boxes can do so the motivation is not lacking but your way of doing things means that it's better for me to look at doing the CCIE simply because i have to do one qualifying exam after which i can then concentrate fully on the lab exam and attempt it. 

May i suggest you look at doing things the same way in regards to your lab exam, a lot of people are probably happy to get as far as having the JNCIP exam and leaving it there whereas those of us who want to do the lab exam should be allowed to focus on passing the lab exam so we can then get back to having a normal work and social life before we start to go crazy reading about features that we will not be tested on in LAB.

 

I realize that you want us to know about new features but it may have been smarter to switch over to the JN0-633 exam  at the same time that you changed the release code of lab exam from 11.1 to 12.1 so that all the theory is at least relevant.

 

We techies  joke a lot about certs becoming like a "money grab" where Cisco is concerned as they just continue to create new certs all the time, i strongly advise that you don't make the same mistakes or you will get the same reputation.

 

Awaiting your response .........................................

 

Sincerely Yours

 

Tinaye Hove 

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Re: JNCIE-SEC

‎03-18-2013 02:24 PM

Tinaye Hove,

 

I am sorry you are frustrated with the JNCIE release level.  However,  I am a little confused about the concern with studying features that are not on the JNCIE exam. 

 

First, as this is a JNCIE level exam, we by definition expect you to know more then only those topics that are covered on the exam.  You will note that in any single administration of the exam a candidate may not be tested on every aspect of the exam objectives/description.  This is done purposefully, again we are talking expert level certification so that exam is, by definition, not based on training but based on knowledge, skills and experience, which can be augmented by study and practice.

 

Second, the features that can potentially be covered on the exam are listed in the objectives - which are clearly based on 11.1 at this point.  If you have not seen these I suggest you read through the exam description, recommended resources etc here http://www.juniper.net/us/en/training/certification/es_track.html.

 

With regards to the Cisco process.  We do differentiate ourselves a bit with what I believe is an improved offering.  Instead of a qualifying test that grants no credential - as Cisco does - we offer the JNCIP level exam which both qualifies you to take the JNCIE exam but also gives you a credential in acknowledgment of that level of knowledge and skills.  You are correct that some people (many people) do not seek to achieve JNCIE level.  The JNCIP is an offering for those folks, allowing an individual to show a high level of achievement, between a Specialist and Expert level.  Again - something at differentiates us from CISCO.

 

JNCIE remains an exclusive, very difficult achievement for those with the very highest level of knowledge and experience with Juniper solutions.

 

I hope this helps to explain.

 

Regards,

Liz Burns
Director, Education Services
Certification and Marketing Programs

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Re: JNCIE-SEC

‎03-19-2013 02:03 AM

Liz

 

If you don't mind me asking have you studied for the JNCIE exam or the JNCIP exam yourself ?, firstly anybody who dares to even think about doing the JNCIE knows that you have to expect the unexpected but you still expect that you can base your study on the features that are in version of code that you will be tested on in this case 11.1

What you are asking me to do is study features that are in 12.1 and do not exist in 11.1 therefore there is no reason to be test on them because lab is based on code 11.1

The Cisco theory exam is a recognized qualification that tests you on pretty much everything that you can expect to come across on the CCIE lab exam is tougher then the Cisco JNCIP so you should have no problem coming up with a qualifying exam that does the same thing for Juniper JNCIE.

 

I am not here to bad mouth Cisco as getting their Routing and Switching CCIE and a juniper JNCIP will put me in the same  position job wise as having JNCIE-SEC, difference being the Cisco theory exam will test me on things that are relevant to my Lab exam and I can transfer that study directly to my lab preparation. 

 

Best Regards

 

Tinaye Hove 

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Re: JNCIE-SEC

‎03-19-2013 02:28 AM

Tinaye,

 

You definitely need to gain what certification, or combinations of certifications, that work best for your individual requirements.  The Juniper and Cisco certification programs do things differently - based on what we think is best for our audience.

 

While my expertise is developing and managing IT certification programs there are several triple JNCIE's on the certification team and they advise me on candidate concerns like yours.   These individuals drive the design and development of all our certification exams. 

 

We appreciate your feedback.  Your comments, like all we receive in this forum, are considered as we continuously enhance the JNCP strategy.

 

Regards,

Liz Burns
Director, Education Services
Certification and Marketing Programs

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Re: JNCIE-SEC

‎03-19-2013 02:28 AM

Hi Tinaye,

 

You are right that current security classes (JSEC/AJSEC at least)
are based on 12.1 while lab exam is based on 11.1, but I don't see
a big problem here. When preparing for JNCIE, "just" study the topics
on the blue print. But you will need to know them inside out.

 

Having some extra topic in a book or in class which cover newer
features seems to me like a benefit, not a shortcoming. But you
don't "need" to study them if you don't want (and it looks like
you currently don't need them for JNCIP-SEC as well).

Best Regards,
PK

Juniper Ambassador, Juniper Networks Certified Instructor,
JNCIE-SEC #98, JNCIE-ENT #393, JNCIE-SP #2253
Twitter: @JuniperTrain
GitHub: https://github.com/pklimai
[Juniper Authorized Education & Support in Russia]
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Re: JNCIE-SEC

‎03-19-2013 09:37 AM

Liz and PK

 

I am very comfortable with my knowledge of the Lab requirements, it is the fact that i am now going to have to read a whole lot of new material based on 12.1 features before i can get passed my JNCIP which means another 2 weeks to pass that exam which means missing the date that I wanted to do lab exam next month.

 

Anyways your job is make sure sure I fail and mine is to make sure I pass so thank you for your time but I guess nothing is going to change. At the very least can I ask you to update the practice tests under the JNCIP exam to more accurately reflect the content of the new exam.

 

Thanks for your time and responses ....................................i'll go scream at the walls or something

 

 

Best Regards

 

Tinaye Hove

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Re: JNCIE-SEC

‎04-04-2013 10:04 AM

tinayehove@hotmail.com wrote:

 

The Cisco theory exam is a recognized qualification 

 


Actually, it's not. The CCIE qualification is only obtained after passing the lab exam. The computer-based exam alone does not grant you an official Cisco qualification.

 

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